
Liz Marsden
by Liz Marsden
On April 29, 2015 I testified before the Rhode Island House Health, Education, and Welfare Committee against a bill, H. 5585, which if passed would require law enforcement agencies to transfer dogs impounded in raids on suspected dogfighters to “The SPCA” for adoption to the public or transfer to an “appropriate rescue organization.”
Impounded dogs are not the property of law enforcement agencies to transfer until either surrendered by their legal owners, usually as part of a plea bargain, or forfeited as result of a criminal conviction. Thus it is highly likely that any dogs who might be affected by H. 5585, seized from suspected dogfighters, will in truth be fighting dogs and/or offspring from “gamebred” fighting lines.
My testimony is applicable to many other items on legislative calendars at both the state and local levels throughout the U.S.
Worked with Michael Vick dogs
I have perhaps a unique perspective on the topic of dangerous dogs and fighting dogs, as I spent nearly 30 years working with humane societies and animal rescue organizations, and for ten of those years I was a professional dog trainer.

(ASPCA photo)
I worked for the Washington Animal Rescue League in 2007 when eleven of the Michael Vick pit bulls were kept there for several months, pending permanent resolution. So I have much more experience with this topic than the average person. From this experience I strongly believe we need more restrictions on pit bulls and other dangerous breeds of dogs, not fewer. But I will focus my comments on the issues pertaining to offering fighting dogs for adoption.
Existing law in Rhode Island, and probably most other jurisdictions, states that a fighting dog is automatically designated “vicious,” and includes a requirement that “No person shall possess with the intention to sell, or offer for sale, breed, or buy or attempt to buy within the state a vicious dog.”
Rhode Island H. 5585, and similar legislation introduced in Louisiana, would say the exact opposite––again, that fighting dogs seized by law enforcement agencies are to be sent to “The SPCA” and then be placed into adoptive homes or with an “appropriate rescue organization.”
Is the point not to keep the community safer?
Is the point of designating a dog “vicious” not to keep the dog out of circulation and keep the community safer? How is selling any different from “rescuing” and “adopting” when we are discussing known dangerous dogs?

Kissing any newly impounded dog, let alone a known fighting dog, sets a bad example. (HSUS photo)
The term “SPCA” is vague, since that is a generic acronym for “Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.” WHICH “SPCA” is going to be accepting with open arms all of the vicious dogs in the state?
Will any government body be monitoring the whereabouts of vicious dogs turned over to the generic “SPCA?” There are now several hundred documented cases of adopted pit bulls––not necessarily known fighters, mind you, just pit bulls adopted from animal rescues––who have mauled and killed members of their adoptive families only days, weeks, or months after being adopted.
Imagine how much worse it could be if the dogs come from known fighting stock?
If such legislation passes, close monitoring of groups that “rescue” fighting pit bulls and other known dangerous dogs is essential for public safety. Who will pay for this monitoring program? The taxpayer? And what agency whose primary commitment is to maintaining public safety will do the work, accountable to whom?

(Beth Clifton photo)
“Success stories” vs. catastrophes
Proponents of pit bull “rescue” often try to point to the alleged adoption success of canine fighting “survivors.” I will refer to all pit bulls taken from known fighting situations as “game-bred pit bulls.” “Game-bred” means that the dogs come from a known line of fighters. “Game” and “gameness” are dog fighting terms that mean the dog shows the desired propensity to fight at the drop of a hat, to grab and shake and execute a killing bite, and to never give up until its opponent is dead or until the dog’s handlers pry the dog off the opponent with a “break stick.”
One can argue (and I do) that all pit bulls are game-bred because their very genetic lineage is composed of fighting dogs. But for this discussion, I will stick to the dogs coming from known fighting situations.
The number of “success” stories pit bull “rescuers” point to are paltry compared with the numbers of cases in which pit bulls kill and disfigure people every year in the U.S.––more than 600 in 2014 alone.
Vick dogs
But let us look at the “success” stories of the 48 seized Vick dogs, who were dispersed to eight rescue organizations for adoption, “rehabilitation,” or lifetime care in “sanctuaries.”

Impounded pit bull. (Miami-Dade Animal Services)
One was euthanized due to “severe aggression.”
Twenty-two went to the Best Friends Animal Sanctuary in Utah.
Twelve of those were deemed ineligible for placement in homes, and were essentially sentenced to lifetime solitary confinement at Best Friends.
In 2010, two of those dogs broke out of their enclosure and were injured in a dog fight in which a third pit bull (not a Vick dog) was killed.
Ten of the Vick pit bulls who were sent to Best Friends were later adopted out to homes, some with children and other pets. If any of them have injured or killed anyone, I haven’t heard of it. But I worked with some of these dogs when they were at the Washington Animal Rescue League, and I would not have been comfortable recommending any of them for adoption. One of them is reportedly still so terrified of new things, after all these years of “rehabilitation,” that in my opinion keeping him alive is cruel.
Another Vick pit bull was equally terrified at all times and ended up escaping from a foster home and being killed by a car.
Scattered to the winds
The remaining 25 Vick dogs, those who did not go to Best Friends, were scattered to the winds among rescue groups in several states. Keeping close track of them is not something I have been able to do. I seriously doubt that anyone involved with this case knows where all of them are, how they have fared, or even how many are still alive.

(HSUS photo)
Another series of high-profile dogfighting raids occurred in August 2013. According to news sources, Federal agents raided locations in Alabama, Georgia and Mississippi and seized 367 dogs, nearly all pit bulls. Many were found underfed and attached to heavy chains. Several of the dogs were pregnant. Animal welfare groups reportedly “ended up with 451 dogs by the time the puppies arrived.” According to officials, “more than half” the dogs have been adopted or are being prepared for adoption, but the remainder died from health problems or had to be euthanized because they were too aggressive toward humans.
(That’s right – animal “rescue” groups allowed 84 more game-bred pit bulls to be born while under their care. Spaying, if possible, or else humanely euthanizing the pregnant females would have prevented that from happening.)
Do the math
So, let’s do the math. Half of 451 dogs is 225. Is anyone involved with this large raid – the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals or the Humane Society of the United States––keeping track of where these dogs are now?

Tillie. (HSUS photo )
A volunteer-managed Facebook page devoted to the dogs offers only a smattering of “success” stories and adoption notices for dogs still waiting for permanent homes. These dogs are scattered throughout the U.S. among “rescue” groups. One of the dogs from this case, a female pit bull named “Tillie” who “can’t be around other animals,” is featured on a Rhode Island rescue group’s web site.
People often perceive pit bull rescuers, shelters, and animal control officers to be experts on pit bull behavior and safety. Potential adopters often believe they can rely on these perceived experts’ knowledge, judgment and temperament testing procedures to give them sound advice about pit bull safety and to match them with safe pit bulls.
But as at least 35 human fatalities since 2010, several hundred human disfigurements, and thousands of deadly attacks on other animals by rehomed pit bulls testify, that isn’t always the case. Shelters and “rescuers” often appear to place pit bulls over public safety, including in rapidly increasing numbers of cases resulting in six-and-seven-figure judgments against shelter and rescue agencies.
Dangerous dogs should be more heavily regulated, not less
When a consumer product injures and kills that many people, and generates comparable liability history, that product is taken off the market.

Trooper & Rhonda. (Beth Clifton photo)
Yet, when a dog breed does the same thing, people try to pass laws to protect the hazard, not the victims!
We need to reverse this trend and start facing facts, not only on behalf of the human victims, but on behalf of the other animals, most often smaller dogs, who are by far the most frequent victims.
Pit bulls and other dangerous dog breeds should be more heavily regulated, not less. A good start would be requiring spaying and neutering of pit bulls. But the groups that say they are “protecting” those breeds oppose any restrictions, even mandatory spaying and neutering. Meanwhile our shelters and pounds are flooded with unwanted pit bulls.
“How it’s raised”
A second and closely related glaring inconsistency is the frequent contention of pit bull “rescue” advocates that a pit bull’s behavior is determined by “how it’s raised.”
Indeed, “it’s all in how they’re raised” is now a common belief among the general public, because people have heard this phrase repeated so many times.
But if the risk is “all in how they’re raised,” how can anyone expect a known game-bred fighting pit bull to be a safe pet?
Or a pit bull from a shelter who has no known history?
Death and disfigurement cases, now occurring at the rate of nearly two per day, show that no one can predict what an individual pit bull will do. Time and time again, pit bulls have attacked without warning, for no reason known to the victims or bystanders, and without ever having shown prior aggression. Some of these dogs literally go from licking a victim’s face to biting the victim’s face off.

Schmee. (Beth Clifton photo)
Telling gullible adopters that it’s “all in how they’re raised,” when in reality breeding and genetics have a major role, is dangerous and deceitful, and must stop.
Ignoring the facts and repeating myths to get more pit bulls adopted is getting people––and other pets, especially other dogs––killed or mauled every single day.
I have spent most of my adult life working with dogs, including pit bulls. I don’t hate pit bulls and I don’t want to take away anyone’s family pet. What I want to see is a more mature, realistic response from pit bull “rescuers” to the overwhelming evidence that their breed is a public threat and needs to be seriously regulated and managed.
Phony “rescues” and “sanctuaries”

Craig Malisow of the Houston Press has extensively exposed the Spindletop Rescue debacle.
The number of phony “rescues” and “sanctuaries” that have sprung up since the Vick dog case seems to be astronomical. Two infamous cases were the Olympic Animal Sanctuary in Washington state, a “rescue” for dangerous aggressive dogs that turned out to be a windowless tin building stacked with filthy crates, and the Spindletop Refuge in Texas, where nearly 300 dogs were found warehoused in filthy stacked crates, while many others who had been sent there remain unaccounted for.
We must keep in mind that each of the Vick dogs arrived at Best Friends with a court-ordered endowment for over $18,000––money Best Friends was glad to receive. What happens in less publicized cases, involving less affluent defendants, is very different.
Who is equipped to safely and humanely keep and care for fighting dogs who usually can’t be housed with other animals?

(Beth Clifton meme)
All too often, these dogs end up in a “rescue hoarder” situation and spend the rest of their lives crated or otherwise confined and neglected.
Anyone who truly cares about dogs will understand that there are only so many safe and decent places for aggressive dogs to go, and there are far more aggressive dogs being impounded than there are shelter and sanctuary facilities available.
I LOVE this piece–beautifully written by an expert who knows the truth about pit bulls. I agree 100% with everything. My own credentials are an M.S. in Zoology/Animal Behavior, 38 years of competition experience in dog sports, and many years spent working as a trainer and dog behavior consultant, specializing in aggressive dogs. This piece needs to be picked up by local and national newspapers or printed in every “letter to the editor” column around. Well done!
Thanking you again for talking truth to power, the public, and everyone else. Sharing to social media with message, hope, and prayers that if at least one person finally gets this and shares i,, it will help save some lives and change some minds.
One of the best articles I have read in a longtime. And so truthful. It seems that rescuing pit bulls gives some people some kind of “status” as a real hero. But sadly, these people do not have the training, skills or the facilities to house such aggressive animals,. Eventually they start adopting out vicious dogs to anyone that will take them, owners do not S/N, so this leads to even more aggressive dangerous dogs.. It should be illegal to own a pit bull that is not S/N. Even then its still taking a chance. Even pit bulls that are S/N have attacked, but at least it will eventually keep cutting the numbers down until there are no more. It is also the only way to stop dogfighting
The only way to “stop dogfighting” is to criminalize the act, arrest the people who participate, who plan, who attend, with more than a slap on the wrist.
Yes. Including those who breed, sell, and otherwise propagate dogs of fighting lineage and attributes.
And yet we have HSUS posting memes on social media showing celebrity pit bull owners and a call to “end BSL nationwide!” And all the big groups are doing it, not just HSUS. If you dare comment with a differing opinion, expect to be called names, threatened, told you hate dogs, and compared to Nazis and racists, often by people who self identify as vegans and AR activists.
We have reached the point where in some places, you’re not even allowed to talk about aggressive dogs, even when not mentioning breed. I’ve had comments on vegan/AR blogs that mentioned dog aggression deleted, even when I did not allude to any specific breed.
Liz Marsden Thank you, i will spread your wonderful writing far and wide.
Great article. Facts and data are what we need. It is amazing to me the individuals and animal groups who oppose Breeding Bans or in our Harrison County Indiana, Breeders Permit Requirements. For anyone interested in an effective county ordinance refer to Hamilton County Indiana Breeders Permit Requirement. Ours was overturned due to the national animal hate group Protect the Harvest (PTH). However success could be achieved, and has been, elsewhere. This ordinance by passes specific breeds and applies to all dogs and all cats. Shockingly, Best Friends and ASPCA are a few of the groups which allowed their names to be used in full page newspaper ads put out by PTH against our Harrison County Breeders Permit ordinance. I contacted the groups and spoke with several people including in the ASPCA legal department but they went along with PTH instead of those of us on the frontline who are actually dealing with dog cat overpopulation, with a lot of pit bull mixes showing up all the time. Disgraceful.
I really think that every dangerous dog that is adopted out of a shelter that kills another animal or injures a person should be counted against the shelter’s kill rate. Just because they “saved” one dog that went on to kill another dog, or god forbid, person, doesn’t mean they have “saved” a dog. They have just traded one death for another. And instead of a humane lethal injection the other dog is killed in a vicious attack. Why don’t they see that? Is the dog in front of them so overwhelming that they can’t think of the dog or child who will be hurt by this pit? It is so irresponsible and short sighted. The idea of no kill or zero kill as the goal of shelters is the stupidest thing to come out of sheltering in a long time.
Not all the big groups are doing. PETA has a realistic stance: http://www.peta.org/about-peta/why-peta/pitbulls/
Liz, you must have been living in my head! Exactly so. The only thing you didn’t cover is the underground breeding by prison gangs/familias.
are prison gangs allowed to breed dogs?
Many prison gangs have been involved in breeding fighting dogs, perhaps most notoriously the Aryan Brotherhood associates of former California lawyers Marjorie Knoller and Robert Noel, who bred pit bull/mastiff crosses identified by media as Presa Canarios, but by the breeders themselves as “Dogs of War.” Knoller and Noel were in possession of two of the “Dogs of War” in January 2001, when they fatally mauled lacrosse coach Diane Whipple in front of her San Francisco apartment. Knoller is serving 15-years-to-life for second degree murder. Noel served a sentence for manslaughter. Both were disbarred.
Insightful article that debunks propaganda from the pit bull lobby. What was really interesting too, a very pro pit bull group RI ‘Defender of Animals’ http://www.defendersofanimals.org/ was testifying against this 5585 bill too, because it would make RI a pit bull dumping ground.
Love how you used my AVMA/Dinosaur meme.
If it’s “all how you raise them,” then what could be more wrong of a way to “raise” a dog than in a dogfighting ring?
Excellent essay, and so relevant to me, as a native of New England. The general public has no idea that fight bust dogs are being quietly shipped off to amateur “rescue groups” around the country. Many pit bull rescuers are self proclaimed “dog experts”, yet they routinely post pictures and videos on-line of dogs interacting with people in unsafe ways,….it’s quite common to see these women kissing strange dogs on the mouth, or grabbing and hugging dogs that look stiff and wide eyed. People who engage in such infantile, unsafe, and reckless behavior should never be entrusted to make accurate evaluations on dogs that pose a potential risk to public safety. The idea that these dogs can be easily integrated into pet homes is belied by the fact that many of the dogs featured by rescue groups continue to exhibit serious, abnormal behavior years after they have been allegedly “rehabilitated.”
I am also concerned that many of the dogs taken from fight busts are infected with Babesia Gibsoni, an incurable, often fatal blood disease that is passed through ticks or by the bite of an infected dog. Many of the Vick dogs were infected with this disease, which is very expensive to treat and manage, if a dog survives the acute phase. Will shipping infected dogs throughout the country introduce this pathogen into the tick population in New England, the way the Katrina rescue dogs reintroduced heartworm into the mosquito population in areas like Massachusetts where, according to my vet, he hadn’t seen a local case of heartworm in 30 years of practice?
Kudos to Liz Marsden for speaking out against these lobbyists….I only hope that, as more dog professionals come forward, more experts will feel emboldened to speak out in favor of regulating dangerous dogs.
OUTSTANDING. It is so refreshing to see and hear from someone with experience in training dogs that is not afraid to rise up and speak openly and publicly about the dangerous and inhumane shoddy “rescuing” and placement of pitbulls. Those who profit from pitbulls don’t care about human animals or pitbulls. KUDOS to Liz for caring and educating the public.
An excellent article, as usual. I’ve often wondered why the “It’s all how you raise them” argument doesn’t apply to dogs who were fought, or dogs who came from abusive homes or were neglected/used solely as guard dogs or whatever. Probably because it’s bullcrap? 😉
I’m currently living in the UK, where the Dangerous Dogs Act (which makes it illegal to own or breed pits/American Staffies/Dogos/etc.) is roundly ignored. And even with that–there are several pit-type dogs in my town alone–the animal organizations campaign against the Act and fight for its repeal. Just this morning I got into (yet another) polite but firm argument with a man collecting money for Dogs Trust outside the grocery store (they do this on a regular basis). He actually told me, with absolute seriousness, that these dogs were bred to be nanny dogs! I should have expected such ignorance, I guess, but I was honestly stunned that he was repeating that myth like it was a truth.
Anyway. I’m rambling, I guess. My point is, when I see a worker for Dogs Trust or the RSPCA or any other animal group collecting money, I first ascertain their group’s stance on BSL and then, after finding out they oppose it, I tell them that is why they won’t get any of my money. I let them know that I love dogs and oppose animal cruelty, and that I don’t support organizations that enable dogfighters by making it easier for them to breed/obtain more dogs for the pit. I tell them I would love to donate to them once they change their stance.
This tends to be the most acceptable argument to them, I’ve found (and it has the additional benefit of being absolutely true; dogfighting has been on the rise here for a few years, and it’s sad to see how these groups fail to understand how they contribute to that rise by working to make these dogs more common and acceptable). At least I don’t get yelled at or blown off or called “racist” or uninformed or whatever else when I use it, which is nice.
I don’t think my doing this will really change anything, but my hope is that if more people start doing it, maybe at least these organizations will start to be aware that they’re hurting themselves and that not all of the public agrees with them.